The second in our  series  of annual ‘State of the Nation’ interviews with acclaimed  Newsroom  journalist and deep thinker,  Rod Oram. It’s always fun to sit down with him and discuss what is percolating away inside his magnificent thinkery. Rod invariably has a range of topics that he wants to expand on, and this year is no different. If you want to get up to date on what’s going on in our world, and hear why Rod sees 2021 as being an ‘essential year’ for Aotearoa, then this is well worth a listen.

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